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Couldn’t the same just be said about Jesus then? I don’t understand why this is so important to Catholics.

If it is divinely revealed, then it’s true. We believe divine revelation reveals Mary’s Immaculate Conception as well as Christ’s sinlessness. We also believe it is proper to live by God’s “every word” (cf. Matt. 4:4). The IC points to the divinity of Christ and reflects such OT practices such as the high priest needing to be pure of sin prior to entering the Holy of Holies, which was the “dwelling place” of God, just like Mary. All Marian doctrines are Christological.

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Couldn’t the same just be said about Jesus then? I don’t understand why this is so important to Catholics.

It’s important to Catholics because we believe it is a part of divine revelation, i.e. the Word of God in Scripture and Tradition, and we want to hold fast to God’s Word with as much gusto as we can. As to whether the same could be said of Christ, most Catholic apologists seem to say that Christ could have been born of a sinner if He had wanted, but chose not to. I’m not inclined to agree with them because I think that if Jesus’ mother had original sin that would put Jesus in a position where He would have inherited original sin. That would require Him to have been preserved from it by a special grace, which would in effect make Jesus “saved.” It’s fine to have a human like Mary be saved from inheriting original sin; it’s not fine to have that for Jesus. Therefore, I’m inclined to think it was necessary that Mary not have original sin; but I think I’m in the minority as far as that theological speculation goes.

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It’s important to Catholics because we believe it is a part of divine revelation, i.e. the Word of God in Scripture and Tradition, and we want to hold fast to God’s Word with as much gusto as we can. As to whether the same could be said of Christ, most Catholic apologists seem to say that Christ could have been born of a sinner if He had wanted, but chose not to. I’m not inclined to agree with them because I think that if Jesus’ mother had original sin that would put Jesus in a position where He would have inherited original sin. That would require Him to have been preserved from it by a special grace, which would in effect make Jesus “saved.” It’s fine to have a human like Mary be saved from inheriting original sin; it’s not fine to have that for Jesus. Therefore, I’m inclined to think it was necessary that Mary not have original sin; but I think I’m in the minority as far as that theological speculation goes.

But Jesus wasn’t born at all of natural means, while Mary was. So anything that could be applied to Mary could also be applied to Jesus. “Jesus wouldn’t be in an unclean womb because of sin, but Mary was and yet did not inherit sin either.” I believe it’s a logical fallacy.

Jesus was protected from sin because He was not born the way a human is born. I suppose that, combined with God just doing for Jesus whatever He did for Mary would be sufficient.

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But Jesus wasn’t born at all of natural means, while Mary was. So anything that could be applied to Mary could also be applied to Jesus. “Jesus wouldn’t be in an unclean womb because of sin, but Mary was and yet did not inherit sin either.” I believe it’s a logical fallacy.

Jesus was protected from sin because He was not born the way a human is born. I suppose that, combined with God just doing for Jesus whatever He did for Mary would be sufficient.

Hi Dronald!

First I’d like to point out that as humans we have no right to apply false dichotomies to our Lord’s decisions. That our Blessed Virgin was conceived immaculately has no bearing on how He might go about other things, other than it being in alignment with the fulfillment of the Old Testament.

Logical fallacy indeed! Fortunately, your and my beliefs do not hinge on the credibility of undergrad college arguments.

After all, is it logical that a Man was conceived by the Holy Spirit and dies on a cross to defeat sin and Lucifer?? I think not.

For a Christian movement that bases so much of it’s theology on faith, it comes across as rather hypocritical to attack others for things which are accepted on faith. (never mind supporting typo-logical texts and tradition)

Finally, as one Protestant to another (I am in the process of coming in from the rain) I urge you to examine what is about your Catholic brothers and sisters beliefs regarding Marian doctrine that upsets you. Really examine that, and if your soul is open to Truth, you will not be let down.

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Hi Dronald!

First I’d like to point out that as humans we have no right to apply false dichotomies to our Lord’s decisions. That our Blessed Virgin was conceived immaculately has no bearing on how He might go about other things, other than it being in alignment with the fulfillment of the Old Testament.

Logical fallacy indeed! Fortunately, your and my beliefs do not hinge on the credibility of undergrad college arguments.

After all, is it logical that a Man was conceived by the Holy Spirit and dies on a cross to defeat sin and Lucifer?? I think not.

For a Christian movement that bases so much of it’s theology on faith, it comes across as rather hypocritical to attack others for things which are accepted on faith. (never mind supporting typo-logical texts and tradition)

Finally, as one Protestant to another (I am in the process of coming in from the rain) I urge you to examine what is about your Catholic brothers and sisters beliefs regarding Marian doctrine that upsets you. Really examine that, and if your soul is open to Truth, you will not be let down.

I don’t understand the reason for this belief. It could be true, but it’s absent from Scripture so I don’t see how it could be proven.

You gave a good example of “Christ died on a cross” but He also resurrected and won. His victory over death seems logical to me, as well as its attestation in history.

I don’t attack Catholic beliefs or have a problem with them, I just don’t understand how they justify some of them. I’m really asking them to justify their beliefs on an Apologetic forum.

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are you aware that Jesus comes from a bloodline of sinners? David ,committed adultery,murdered a man, there is a prostitute in there,in the bloodline. Although He was sinless , how could Mary claim sinless? She confesses her need of a Savior .
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are you aware that Jesus comes from a bloodline of sinners? David ,committed adultery,murdered a man, there is a prostitute in there,in the bloodline. Although He was sinless , how could Mary claim sinless? She confesses her need of a Savior .

This was explained in post 5. Short of divine intervention, she could not have had Christ’s merit applied to her in advance. The question is whether or not there is evidence in divine revelation for this dogma. Catholics say yes. Here is more thorough reading (by no means an exhaustive list).

Was Mary Born without Sin?
How the cherubim witness to Mary’s Immaculate Conception
Catholic Answers tract on the IC
Why Catholics believe in the Immaculate Conception (this one includes answers to several objections also)
The Immaculate Conception of the Mother of God by Juniper Carol

It might be interesting to note, that of all the objections and rejections he had of Catholic doctrine, Martin Luther still believed Mary’s Immaculate Conception even after he split with the Church.

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For our Protestant friends on this thread who struggle to understand either why Catholics believe this doctrine or even just why it is important to us, the best way to delve deeper is to read what the Magisterium (the teaching authority) of the Church says on the issue. I can think of no document better, on this subject, than Pope Pius IX 1854 Encyclical Ineffabilis Deus in which Pius dogmatically (and infallibly) define the dogma.

It’s a long document (worth reading in its entirety), so I’ve broken it down a bit, cut some of the flowery 19th c. prose, and highlighted the more important sections on my blog over the last two days.

If you are interested you might read it there.

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If you decide to do so and have any questions, please ask – I can answer any question in the combox over there or on this thread (where you’ll also have the input of other Catholics who can answer your question).

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For our Protestant friends on this thread who struggle to understand either why Catholics believe this doctrine or even just why it is important to us, the best way to delve deeper is to read what the Magisterium (the teaching authority) of the Church says on the issue. I can think of no document better, on this subject, than Pope Pius IX 1854 Encyclical Ineffabilis Deus in which Pius dogmatically (and infallibly) define the dogma.

It’s a long document (worth reading in its entirety), so I’ve broken it down a bit, cut some of the flowery 19th c. prose, and highlighted the more important sections on my blog over the last two days.

If you are interested you might read it there.

PART ONE

PART TWO

If you decide to do so and have any questions, please ask – I can answer any question in the combox over there or on this thread (where you’ll also have the input of other Catholics who can answer your question).

God bless.

Thank you for taking this discussion to some of the central documents and arguments that are connected with it. This discussion was devolving from a discussion of the truth of the doctrine and its sources in Scripture and Tradition to a case of undergrad theological musings about its relevance. As an original participant, I thank you for taking it to a higher level.

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The Catholic dogma of the Immaculate Conception refers to the Virgin Mary conceived without the stain of original sin. This is the defining text from the papal encyclical Ineffabilis Deus from 1854:

We declare, pronounce, and define that the doctrine which holds that the most Blessed Virgin Mary, in the first instance of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege granted by Almighty God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Savior of the human race, was preserved free from all stain of original sin, is a doctrine revealed by God and therefore to be believed firmly and constantly by all the faithful.

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where is the infallible doctrine defined in Scripture? through the saying, “your womb is blessed”? or she has been “full of Grace” is that it?
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where is the infallible doctrine defined in Scripture? through the saying, “your womb is blessed”? or she has been “full of Grace” is that it?

First answer me this – Where is the infallible doctrine that everything must be explicitly defined in Scripture taught in Scripture?

If you read my blog post – here – you’ll see how we can know Mary was sinless from conception from Scripture.

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where is the infallible doctrine defined in Scripture? through the saying, “your womb is blessed”? or she has been “full of Grace” is that it?

How about bad tree can not produce good fruit? If Jesus is considered good fruit, therefore the tree must be considered good too.

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But Jesus wasn’t born at all of natural means, while Mary was. So anything that could be applied to Mary could also be applied to Jesus. “Jesus wouldn’t be in an unclean womb because of sin, but Mary was and yet did not inherit sin either.” I believe it’s a logical fallacy.

In Catholic theology original sin is regarded as the general state of sinfulness, that is the absence of sanctity and perfect charity, into which all human beings are born. According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, original sin is the natural state “of deprivation of the original holiness and justice” we inherit as descendants of Adam and Eve. It is a sin which is contracted by all human beings by natural propagation, not a sin committed by them. Thus original sin does not entail any personal responsibility or guilt on our part as human beings. We do not inherit any “original guilt” as descendants of Adam which Calvin believed we do. Adam’s particular sin is his own personal sin which he committed. Because original sin is a state or condition of our human nature and not a sinful act itself on our part, original sin “does not take on the character of a personal fault in any of Adam’s descendants”. We are all simply implicated in Adam’s sin, including Mary. And because God did not hold Mary personally responsible for the sin of Adam and Eve, He could – and did – in His divine mercy, without negating His divine justice, preserve Mary immune from the stain of original sin by a “singular grace and privilege in view of the merits of Christ”. Without Divine intervention, Mary would have been conceived in the state of deprivation of the original holiness and justice, since she was a human being and not a Divine Person in the flesh like her Son.

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where is the infallible doctrine defined in Scripture? through the saying, “your womb is blessed”? or she has been “full of Grace” is that it?

There are tons of ways Scripture shows us that Mary was concieved without sin.

But let me point out this: Mary’s sinlessness was NOT necessary. God could have chosen a sinful woman to bear His son.

But instead God gave this as a free gift.

Let me show you one of the ways we know Mary was with out sin:

Let’s start with the question: What does “emnity” mean? According to dictionary.com it means ‘deep seeded hatred’ and ‘to be enemies’. According to one anti-Catholic source it means to be completely opposite and seperate from each other.

Are we, humans, completely seperate from sin and the devil? We’d like to say ‘yes’ but we have to remember that we still sin. So we cannot say we are completely seperate from satan.

What does Scripture say about Christ? Scripture says that Christ and Satan will have “enmity” between them. Does this make sense? Absolutely.

What does this have to do with Mary? In the same Scripture where it says that Christ and Satan will have “enmity” between them, it ALSO says that MARY and Satan will have “enmity” between them (Gen 3:15).

So, again, could Mary have had any sin but still have “enmity” between her and Satan?

Also we see in Revelations that Satan attempts to get at Mary (the woman) but Mary was taken “out of the serpant’s reach” (Rev 12:14).

Are we sinners “out of the serpant’s reach”? If we were honest, we’d have to say no.

On top of this, Scripture show that Mary is the New Eve, The New Ark of the Covenant as well as other things. See: http://www.catholic.com/radio/shows/…e-new-eve-4624
http://www.catholic.com/magazine/art…e-new-covenant

As the New Eve was created with out sin, could the New Eve be any different?

As R.C. Sproul put it, the Ark was so holy that no sinful man could touch it. Is the New Ark any different?

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Here is my take: I do believe there are people who can act as mediums and that are psychic. I have no choice as my paternal grandmother was psychic, as is my father, my sister and even myself on occasion.

Now this does not mean I go around telling people their future. This is wrong. I mean I can dream about a plane crashing and then it will happen a month later, or my grandmother often dreamed about someone dying, how they would die, where and when–and this would happen. My father does the same thing.

I don’t think these events are sinful in nature. I think the sin comes in when we misuse this ability to confuse others, or to take on an attitude of power and ability we don’t have. (Fortune tellers.) Perhaps Caputo’s priest is making a pastoral decision that amounts to believing she means no harm, and that she does have some sort of spiritual gift.

What about Cure’ d’Ares or Padre Pio knowing peoples sins even before they confessed? What about bi-location in Padre Pio’s case? Levitation? (Often thought to be magic or of the dark arts.) How do we explain all of this, or can we?

I am not too worried about Theresa Caputo.

I agree. I’ve been told things by psychics that they’d have no way of knowing. I don’t structure my life around running to one every time there is a decision to be made. I think some people have gifts and if they’re used for good then there isn’t a problem.

I also relate the gift with that of Simon, the elderly man who met the Holy Family at the temple and the widowed lady who did the same. Both told things to Mary and Joseph about Jesus and the future. I’d say Simon was psychic. And he didn’t hesitate telling Mary that a sword would pierce her heart. I would not have wanted to have heard that.

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[quote=Cricket2;11945663]Here is my take: I do believe there are people who can act as mediums and that are psychic. I have no choice as my paternal grandmother was psychic, as is my father, my sister and even myself on occasion.

Now this does not mean I go around telling people their future. This is wrong. I mean I can dream about a plane crashing and then it will happen a month later, or my grandmother often dreamed about someone dying, how they would die, where and when–and this would happen. My father does the same thing.

i don’t know if you are familiar with this teaching– and understanding

The Mystery of Prophets & Psychics – John Paul Jackson

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When asked, most Christians would say they believe the Bible.

But when probed further, and asked specifically about the wild, supernatural events that took place throughout the Old and New Testaments—those things—can they be taken literally.

That’s usually when the words symbolism, or allegory, or metaphorical get thrown around to avoid having to actually say ‘that’s too strange to be true.’

Did the Red Sea really part to allow the Jews to escape the Egyptians?

Did one angel really strike down armies of men?

Did Jesus really walk on water, turn water into wine, be born of a virgin, feed 5000 with a just few baskets of food…did those things really happen?

Or were they just metaphors?

Backed into a corner with the reality that the Bible actually says these things happened, some Christians prefer to draw a line in the sand and say that was then, in Bible times, and this is now.

Today things are different. We live in a different world.

God doesn’t need to use supernatural exploits to accomplish His plan—it’s already been accomplished.
Jesus put an end to all of that craziness

. God no longer needs to speak to us through a dream we have at night, or show us things in a vision, or send angels to help us, protect us, or deliver important instructions. Those things ended long ago.

And it’s a good thing too, because those things are messy and hard to explain. Mysteries are for Hollywood.

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These psychics and mediums use a technique called “cold reading”. They are frauds.

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I agree, but my wife watches it anyway. She knows church teaching, but still watches. I am not her master. All I can do is reiterate Church Teaching, which is what I do. The rest is her choice. I will pray for her, without telling her, to stop watching it. That is the best I can do.
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I’ve seen Theresa Caputo and her husband at the Saturday vigil mass several times. She and her husband also receive Holy Communion.

I’m sure the priest know who she is and what she does.

I have a somewhat hard time reconciling the fact that the priest have no qualms about what she does… as she misleads thousands of watchers yet she receives communion.

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I agree, but my wife watches it anyway. She knows church teaching, but still watches. I am not her master. All I can do is reiterate Church Teaching, which is what I do. The rest is her choice. I will pray for her, without telling her, to stop watching it. That is the best I can do.

I believe you have the right to order her not to watch something that is not good for her soul. It could b considered your duty as a good husband. If she does not obey you, you know at least the respect in which she holds you. I expect a ton of bricks to fall on me from other posters but so be it.

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You should continue to encourage her to avoid watching these types of shows. I think it would be better to give solid reasons (catechism, Women of Grace info, etc) rather than to demand that she stops. These shows are a bunch of lies and deceptions preying on people who mourn their deceased loved ones. At best it is a fraud and at worst it is a demonic display. Pray for your dear wife and also pray for Theresa Caputo.
I know how hard it is to convince people who find this junk fascinating because I have had very little success in steering friends away from it. They find it all so fascinating
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Have you seen this show. Here are my thoughts.
Sometimes she seems to say things she couldn’t have known. So is she sincere, or a scammer? And if its the former, how does she get the info? God wouldn’t give her this knowledge, I think, since he made that a bad thing in both the new and old testaments.And if its not from God, why do the spirits deliver messages that apparently provide hope?

Edit: My wife is watching the show on reruns, and theresa just said that some lady’s daughter soul was reincarnated into the lady’s granddaughter. creepy, false, and against the teaching of the church Theresa claims to follow, the RCC.

They don’t provide real hope. They provide confusion and a false assurance that everyone “is okay” after they die. Feeds in to complacency. Not to judge anyone’s specific soul, but can we really think that every average person is a saint? And on this show (which I have unfortunately seen because my mother loves it, despite my protests ugh) the “spirits” always say sketchy things, really, the ONE message you want to tell your family member is that you’re “with them”? Really! Nothing about God. Nothing about changing your life. Even NDEs, which I am still a bit skeptical about, are more realistic than that. And oh, there’s a hat in your drawer. That’s how you know I’m “real”! Take good care of it for me will ya… They all seem to have a similar personality, too… just like the woman.

She is either making it up or it is demonic. And she is using it to emotionally manipulate people and lead them into confusion. There is nothing good or hopeful about this show.

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I’ve seen Theresa Caputo and her husband at the Saturday vigil mass several times. She and her husband also receive Holy Communion.

I’m sure the priest know who she is and what she does.

I have a somewhat hard time reconciling the fact that the priest have no qualms about what she does… as she misleads thousands of watchers yet she receives communion.

Has anyone in the parish confronted her or the priest
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I think ALL the co called mediums on TV are fake, the answers they provide could come from a number of sources, and I believe the whole thing is scripted, like everything else on TV, its sad that so many people fall for it. She is still able to attend mass and receive communion because she is not truly a medium, she is an entertainer, nothing more, nothing less.

BUT, there are some REAL mediums out there, I know of one online that does readings for people and does not ask for money, it is amazing all that she knows, I have asked her something in the past and she was dead right, all I did was send her the question in an email. Ive also read many of her other readings, most people ask her about aliens, UFOs, and odd things that go on here on earth, she has been right about everything Ive seen her predict, however none of it is inherently evil or good, its all basically neutral.

I think its strange some people, like the above, seem to be given a gift, I know of no one else that can do this, I know I cant…but if the evil spirits truly wanted to corrupt as many people as possible, why wouldnt there be more mediums and people with psychic powers?

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I’ve seen Theresa Caputo and her husband at the Saturday vigil mass several times. She and her husband also receive Holy Communion.

I’m sure the priest know who she is and what she does.

I have a somewhat hard time reconciling the fact that the priest have no qualms about what she does… as she misleads thousands of watchers yet she receives communion.

Here is my take: I do believe there are people who can act as mediums and that are psychic. I have no choice as my paternal grandmother was psychic, as is my father, my sister and even myself on occasion.

Now this does not mean I go around telling people their future. This is wrong. I mean I can dream about a plane crashing and then it will happen a month later, or my grandmother often dreamed about someone dying, how they would die, where and when–and this would happen. My father does the same thing.

I don’t think these events are sinful in nature. I think the sin comes in when we misuse this ability to confuse others, or to take on an attitude of power and ability we don’t have. (Fortune tellers.) Perhaps Caputo’s priest is making a pastoral decision that amounts to believing she means no harm, and that she does have some sort of spiritual gift.

What about Cure’ d’Ares or Padre Pio knowing peoples sins even before they confessed? What about bi-location in Padre Pio’s case? Levitation? (Often thought to be magic or of the dark arts.) How do we explain all of this, or can we?

I am not too worried about Theresa Caputo.

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Old Apr 29, ’14, 5:54 pm
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Wow. She is clearly receiving the Eucharist unworthily!

As to any reality show, a lot of what goes on is staged and fake. I know a friend of a friend who knows what goes on with that storage space auctioning show. The producers put in valuable stuff in the storage space in order to make the show interesting. That’s 1 example. All reality shows are fake.

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Old May 3, ’14, 2:09 am
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Here is my take: I do believe there are people who can act as mediums and that are psychic. I have no choice as my paternal grandmother was psychic, as is my father, my sister and even myself on occasion.

Now this does not mean I go around telling people their future. This is wrong. I mean I can dream about a plane crashing and then it will happen a month later, or my grandmother often dreamed about someone dying, how they would die, where and when–and this would happen. My father does the same thing.

I don’t think these events are sinful in nature. I think the sin comes in when we misuse this ability to confuse others, or to take on an attitude of power and ability we don’t have. (Fortune tellers.) Perhaps Caputo’s priest is making a pastoral decision that amounts to believing she means no harm, and that she does have some sort of spiritual gift.

What about Cure’ d’Ares or Padre Pio knowing peoples sins even before they confessed? What about bi-location in Padre Pio’s case? Levitation? (Often thought to be magic or of the dark arts.) How do we explain all of this, or can we?

I am not too worried about Theresa Caputo.

I agree. I’ve been told things by psychics that they’d have no way of knowing. I don’t structure my life around running to one every time there is a decision to be made. I think some people have gifts and if they’re used for good then there isn’t a problem.

I also relate the gift with that of Simon, the elderly man who met the Holy Family at the temple and the widowed lady who did the same. Both told things to Mary and Joseph about Jesus and the future. I’d say Simon was psychic. And he didn’t hesitate telling Mary that a sword would pierce her heart. I would not have wanted to have heard that.